Let’s Talk Editing

by Avid Reader on 07.11.2006

I had a poster who shall remain name­less on this blog post (check the Anya Bast review com­ments, heehee) who stated that she was the least con­cerned about edit­ing (in respect to what, I didn’t clar­ify). It made me think: am I being too picky about want­ing a book well edited? When you put a prod­uct together, it’s sup­posed to be in top form. No edited work is per­fect (some are just plain awful) but as a reader I do find edit­ing prob­lems jar­ring when there are so many of them…

The reason I post this is that when I review books, espe­cially ebooks and I men­tion edit­ing issues, it isn’t just a few mis­spelled words or one or two wrong word choices. I do care about edit­ing because as a reader I do find it rather jar­ring to read a sen­tence that is clearly a ques­tion end with a period or see the wrong word choices used and then go on to read sentences with­out peri­ods. I mean WTF? It’s annoy­ing as hell.

All of this is to say that I am not being nit-​picky when it comes to mentioning editing issues. If I say your book has edit­ing issues it is because there were PLENTY of them. I know it’s a sore spot as edit­ing is not easy but no job that is impor­tant is ever easy.

So, as a reader I’m not trying to be mean spir­ited. I like a well writ­ten book. Some authors seem to be able to write above their edit­ing issues while others fair not so well. As a reader, the goal of read­ing any book is to be enter­tained and not being jarred out of the expe­ri­ence with edit­ing issues. I mean I am paying for the prod­uct, right?

{ 18 comments… read them below or add one }

Avid Reader 07.14.2006 at 12:34 pm

I look for­ward to your review, Jane, on Angel’s Fall. I’ve been notic­ing some mixed reviews out there and as I’ve not read her in a long time, it might be a good time to read this one. Espe­cially since you said it was very good.

If the style these days are to vio­late basic sen­tence struc­ture then I’d have to give it a pass.

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Jane 07.14.2006 at 12:29 pm

I didn’t start count­ing until half way through the book. I am not a gram­mat­i­cal guru and so some­times I think that I am just not seeing things right, but it wasn’t right.

I counted at least 10 places where a quo­ta­tion mark was miss­ing. But the most egre­gious error was in the sen­tence struc­ture. I dont know if it was inten­tional or not. I am going to review the book this week­end and will post a couple of exam­ples. Maybe NR is going for some­thing styl­is­ti­cally. It was avery good book, though.

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Robin 07.14.2006 at 11:52 am

I just fin­ished Angels Fall by Nora roberts and had the same sen­ti­ments that you had CindyS. No punc­tu­a­tion? Miss­ing quote marks. No peri­ods. It was bizarre. I couldn’t believe that it was a NR book. I would think that she, of all people, would get the copy edit­ing gurus.

Except for the latest In Death hard­cover, as soon as that series went to hard­back (and to Putnam), the copy edit­ing took an enor­mous nose­dive. There have always been some con­sis­tency prob­lems across the books in other ways, but every­thing just got com­pounded once those hard­cov­ers started rolling out (plus from book to book the para­graph and sen­tence struc­ture seemed to change, too, which was really weird and jar­ring). I’ve also noticed some decent copy edit­ing mis­takes in Berkley paper­backs, but not nearly as bad as the Putnam hard­backs (although maybe they were there and I didn’t notice until the series hit hardback).

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Avid Reader 07.14.2006 at 9:28 am

My sen­ti­ments EXACTLY CindyS. I am a reader who rarely notices any­thing out of place…but if I notice it, many would too.

Jane, you’ve got to be kid­ding me. Nora had these prob­lems? Maybe no one edits her stuff any­more? Ann Rice got it like that. No one edits her stuff and what a shame, too.

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Jane 07.14.2006 at 8:40 am

I just fin­ished Angels Fall by Nora roberts and had the same sen­ti­ments that you had CindyS. No punc­tu­a­tion? Miss­ing quote marks. No peri­ods. It was bizarre. I couldn’t believe that it was a NR book. I would think that she, of all people, would get the copy edit­ing gurus.

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CindyS 07.14.2006 at 3:33 am

Let’s just say that if *I* notice the edit­ing, then the whole world will too. I hate not know­ing dan­gling par­tici­ples and stuff but sen­tences with no punc­tu­a­tion? That’d just piss me off.

I haven’t ven­tured into e-books (be gentle) for too many rea­sons to count but edit­ing has come up too often for it not to be a real issue.

CindyS

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sybil 07.14.2006 at 1:28 am

hee :) It is a great prob­lem to have. I will read all the unedited ARC’s people want to send me. Cuz I rock like that.

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Avid Reader 07.12.2006 at 6:08 pm

Well, hell, wish I could have ARC’s to read too.

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Jennifer B 07.12.2006 at 12:20 pm

I’m right with you on this point Keis­hon. I prefer a well-​written book period.

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Robin 07.12.2006 at 11:21 am

I have read the word “inex­orable” too many times when it comes to the sword slid­ing home, IYKWM.

What is UP with that word? I have lit­er­ally come to despise it because I see it so many times in Romance, and often used incor­rectly, to boot. It’s so bad that I will not use it in any­thing I write, for any pur­pose.

As for the gen­eral edit­ing issue, I have a rather noto­ri­ous posi­tion on this one, but since you brought the topic up again, Keis­hon, I’ll slip this in: the media of Romance is lan­guage, as in words, sen­tences, para­graphs, etc. No writer or editor is per­fect and mis­takes will be made. I love that there are writ­ers who openly thank their edi­tors, because I think that get­ting the best book pos­si­ble to pub­li­ca­tion IS a col­lab­o­ra­tive process. And I agree with the people who say that the less engaged you are with a book, the more you will notice edi­to­r­ial prob­lems. Because for me, all roads lead back to the fact that writ­ing is an art and a skill and its tech­niques and rules exist pri­mar­ily to help the writer make his or her point in the clear­est, most engag­ing, and most effec­tive way, so that there is as little dis­tance as pos­si­ble between the words and the reader.

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May 07.12.2006 at 8:38 am

I don’t think you’re being nit-​picky.

Errors JUMP OUT at me, and even more so when I’m not into the book.

And repet­i­tive words annoy me. I notice it espe­cially when I’m glom­ming an author.

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sybil 07.12.2006 at 8:32 am

I read too many ARC’s to get worked up about edit­ing but repet­i­tive words drive me batty.

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Avid Reader 07.12.2006 at 7:05 am

Hey, don’t look at me as the gram­mat­i­cal queen - I don’t notice most mis­takes like dan­gling par­tici­ples and the like but I think you guys would notice the ones I men­tioned as exam­ples and repet­i­tive word usage drives me crazy, too. I had recently read a book that used “crotch clutch­ing” too many times to count. I remem­ber read­ing a couple of LKH books where she used the same descrip­tion of a love scene — word for word — in two books. Prob­a­bly still does since she’s upped it to erot­ica these days…

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Jane 07.11.2006 at 10:03 pm

Unless the errors are glar­ing, i really don’t mind. Like Dancechica, though, repet­i­tive phrases are very irri­tat­ing, par­tic­u­larly when they are strong visu­als i.e., the one lone tear used more than once is highly jar­ring.

I have read the word “inex­orable” too many times when it comes to the sword slid­ing home, IYKWM.

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Dancechica 07.11.2006 at 7:32 pm

See, I’m like Dana. I tend not to notice gram­mat­i­cal mis­takes and I’m glad I don’t because it seems to really drive crazy the people who do. Lately, how­ever, I’ve begun to notice repet­i­tive word usage. Like if an author keeps using one word repeat­edly. That starts to grate on my nerves after a while but other mis­takes I usu­ally don’t notice or it doesn’t bother me if/when I do.

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Dana 07.11.2006 at 2:33 pm

I do think edit­ing is very impor­tant. How­ever, I don’t tend to notice a lot of gram­mat­i­cal mis­takes even in books I’ve seen other review­ers com­plain about. My brain isn’t wired that way. What drives me nuts is typog­ra­phy and print­ing mis­takes. My friend once let me borrow a book that had double spac­ing after each period. I couldn’t get past the second page because all I could see was the gaps in the text. Insuf­fi­cient mar­gins is another thing that gets on my nerves.

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Avid Reader 07.11.2006 at 2:07 pm

No not at all and thank you for shar­ing your opin­ion, Dee. I’ve read my share of books that have errors of all types but when it becomes exces­sive - it’s a prob­lem but again, some authors have talent enough write above those errors to where the enjoy­ment of the story isn’t lost com­pletely. No work printed or oth­er­wise is per­fect and we can’t catch every­thing but at least make an effort and some­times I don’t see the effort in some of the work out there, ya know ;-) Read­ers have been rum­bling gram­mat­i­cal erros and it seems to be get­ting worse and not better these days…

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Dee 07.11.2006 at 1:10 pm

Keishon — I might write, but I’m a reader first. I know the whole ques­tion of “Reader Rights” has been all over the blog­sphere of late, but I’m actu­ally really sur­prised that we ques­tion them at all.

When I buy a prod­uct, be it a book or a toilet bowl cleaner, I’m enti­tled to say, “If it doesn’t work for me, I’m not buying more.” And, of course, I’m allowed to explain why. (As a writer though, I must add how it’s easier to swal­low if a person can actu­ally explain why or what they didn’t like.) Proc­tor & Gamble do not get to sue me for not liking their clean­ing prod­ucts and stat­ing why as long as I’m not lying. Every penny I spend on some­thing other than feed­ing and hous­ing my son is pre­cious and I’d rather know I’m spend­ing it on some­thing worthy of the sac­ri­fice.

So, to answer the lesser ques­tion, if you feel there is a poor edit­ing job going on, sure, that’s a more than valid reason to be dis­en­chanted with a book. And if you notice the trend coming from a spe­cific pub­lisher, there shouldn’t be anyone out there stop­ping you from saying so.

Though, lol, it’s not likely the pub will thank you.

As a writer, I admit, gram­mar is not my strength. I rely on my editor (lol, pos­si­bly a bit too heav­ily) to help me see where I missed some­thing. She’s only human, of course, and she’s going to allow me to misuse the Eng­lish lan­guage a bit if it’s the best for the story. BUT — big but there — she’s not going to let me ignore the basic require­ments. Such as peri­ods. And quo­ta­tions. And you know, linear ref­er­ences. That’s what makes her an excel­lent editor.

I think the fluff up is really because authors like to fancy them­selves as “artists”, never real­iz­ing there’s two types of art out there — Fine Art and Graphic Design. One is to please the artist, the second is to please the audi­ence. You must still have a level of talent to do either, but the latter means you write FOR some­one else and you earn from it. You put it out for public con­sump­tion and grant Reader Rights by doing so. A fine artist has the right to thumb his nose at detrac­tors because they have not paid for the priv­i­lege. (He also enjoys the right to starve to death or earn his living else­where and enjoy his inner peace, owing noth­ing to no one. But that’s nei­ther here nor there.)

Any graphic artist — or editor — worth their salt is going to tell you that in order for a prod­uct to be com­plete, it must pass muster, be those artisitic guide­lines or basic gram­mat­i­cal tests, and that they do their best to keep these errors from hap­pen­ing. But if you see a gross number of errors, some­thing needs to be said. Oth­er­wise, how is some­thing going to get done? Any­thing exces­sive is a fail­ure some­where and readers — and writers — have a right to know.

Hope that wasn’t too much of an opin­ion, Dee

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